6 Responses to “Prospect[s]?” “Well, You’ll Never Be Chinese.”

  1. Jess To says:

    Another expat leaving story, yet rather different in tone, is Chris Devonshire’s over at China Briefing. Its quite a contrast to Mark Kitto’s “You’ll Never Be Chinese” whine: http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2012/08/13/why-im-leaving-china.html

  2. Richard.李志. says:

    Cheers Jess for the link. I can’t say I am particularly in to all these expat leaving stories, they do not seem too much more significant – other than for the fact that I too am an expat – than the huge numbers of Chinese also leaving the country, or, at least, those sending their kids overseas to study and settle.

    I am more interested in the issues all these stories – even Chris Devonshire’s – throw up. Particularly, the fact that this may indeed be the end of one era or phase of China’s development. But, while many leave, the issues continue. And, that’s the interesting and challenging aspect. The questions about how to deal with the political, environmental, cultural (including inter-cultural) and economic realities and legacies of the last 25 years are – may be now – becoming a whole lot more real.

    Whether people go or stay (here or anywhere), the world is – contrary to some people’s thinking – going to keep spinning. It is, as it has always been, about working out how best we can all live with each other. And I for one think we could do a whole lot better.

    I like the ‘China Story’ site and Geremie Barmé’s perspective, because it and he are at least trying to work on the edges of some of these relationships.

    And, whether he lives in Australia or China, it’s all good.

    Cheers,

    Richard.李志

    PS. Jess, I don’t know if you checked out that last link at the bottom of my Note above, but if you didn’t you might enjoy it.

  3. Reto says:

    Hey Richard, seems this is necessary to grab your attention. I am a bit worried as I haven’t heard from you in a while and I still don’t have your email, so I am using this channel to get through. Send me an email. Also, I have a comment on the same topic on my new blog, a much more positive take on the issue I guess. Check it out! Reto

  4. Richard.李志. says:

    Sorry Reto, the course has started and found myself – happily – lost in books and articles. Email on its way. Although first, I’ll check out your new blog!! R

    PS. Checked it out, and lovin’ it. About time you started getting those Reto thoughts down in the public domain – looking forward to more from you chillinginthepressurecooker. Email sent.

  5. Elizabeth says:

    Well… is it Chinese or just a rather unfortunate human thing?

    I’m in South Africa. A friend, who is black, an artist, and gay, was welcomed into the art circles of one of Europe’s cultured, ‘open-minded’ and cosmopolitan cities. I visited him there. After an initial period of dinner invitations as an ‘interesting guest’, social contact beyond the superficial has dried up. No matter how good his accent in the local language, or how much he loves their local desserts, or makes art to their tastes, or jokes in their humour…. he will never be one of them, even years into his residence.

    Let me add that this guy is extremely personable and a joy to be with.

  6. Richard.李志. says:

    Hi Elizabeth,

    You have touched on something that has been nagging away at the back of my mind since I wrote that Note, and that is the question of whether what I described is any different to how many of us, in many different countries, treat people from outside our designated circle. Whatever kind of group we may belong to.

    I remember some time ago – although I forget now where I read them – seeing a selection of interesting interviews with Asian students who had studied at college and University in the States. These students were commenting about their lives at University, and how – even if they excelled academically – they could never feel part of the dominant social cliques of campus life.

    With regard to your friend’s experience, his nationality, his color or his sexuality, or all three together, may well have contributed to him not being accepted into the art circles he was interacting in. It may have also just been down to the precious nature of the members of those groups – and their focus on fads and fashions, rather than deeper human interaction. There are, obviously, numerous reasons to explain why different people are or are not accepted into different circles, and we are all guilty of judgement to some extent or another. I certainly agree with you about that.

    It just seems to me that here in China there is such a dominant sense of ‘the other’, a sense of a person ‘not being Chinese’, that even when you are made to feel welcome and at ease, and when one does feel at home, that there is still something discernible in the attitudes of many people that makes you feel like the ‘not from around here guy’. Which I don’t think comes down to much more than the fact that a very strong element of political nationalism still runs through Chinese society, that and the existence of a certain sense of cultural defensiveness and insecurity. It is also true that there are still reasonably high levels of ignorance amongst many Chinese about the lives and attitudes of non-Chinese people– not to mention about their own history, government and society. Which I think makes this ‘human [in-group/out-group] thing’ a slightly more dominant aspect of foreigners’ lives here, than may be – generally – it would be in other places.

    Thanks Elizabeth for your thoughts, they have made me think more about this issue again – although, I’m sure I’m still not done thinking about it!

    Best,

    Richard.李志

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